Are Grad Students Employees? Labor Board To Again Weigh In : NPR Ed It's a labor issue familiar to regulators. For decades, the National Labor Relations Board held that students were not employees, then ruled in favor of students in 2000, then reversed again in 2004.

Are Grad Students Employees? Labor Board To Again Weigh In

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Graduate students at private universities are asking regulators to reconsider some old questions. Are we employees or not? And can we join a union? The National Labor Relations Board recently decided to review its previous position, reigniting debate within the ivory tower. NPR's Yuki Noguchi reports.

YUKI NOGUCHI, BYLINE: Paul Katz is three years into a history Ph.D. program at Columbia University. In addition to his own research, he spends 15 to 20 hours a week teaching undergraduates.

PAUL KATZ: I grade all of their papers, their exams, I run review sessions, I meet with them one-on-one, basically support them throughout the semester.

NOGUCHI: Katz says because of that, he believes this should mean he works for the University.

KATZ: The University should treat me as an employee because I do work for them.

NOGUCHI: But technically, he doesn't. The University classifies him as a student, even though it pays him a stipend and provides health insurance.

KATZ: It's more or less impossible to live in New York City on a graduate stipend and not spend at least 40 percent of your income in rent.

NOGUCHI: You must be considered an employee to form a union, so it's hard for Katz and his fellow graduate students to do much about their status. There are 1.7 million graduate students in U.S. according to the Council of Graduate Schools. A very small fraction, about 2 percent, are represented by unions. Nearly all of them at public universities, which are governed by state instead of federal labor laws. With respect to private universities, the National Labor Relations Board has flip-flopped in its policy. For decades, it held students were not employees, then ruled in favor of students in a case in 2000. Under a new administration, the board reversed itself again four years later. Now students at Columbia and The New School are petitioning for another change. John Logan is a labor and employment professor at San Francisco State University. He says the shifts are largely tied to the political makeup of the board.

JOHN LOGAN: When we get a new administration and the composition of the board changes and sometimes you get this process of policy oscillation where the pendulum swings from one side to the other.

NOGUCHI: Meanwhile, Logan says, grad students' interest in unionization continues to grow. Aaron Nisenson is counsel at the American Association of University Professors, which has an affiliated union.

AARON NISENSON: Everybody starting in a professional career can get some experience at a new job, but that doesn't make it not a job.

NOGUCHI: Nisenson argues unions in higher education are increasingly necessary as universities, like private corporations, rely more on cheaper labor.

NISENSON: Universities more broadly have been pushing a lot of the work towards contingent faculty, towards graduate assistants and towards other non-tenure-track faculty.

NOGUCHI: In an emailed statement, Columbia University spokesman Caroline Adelman says teaching and research are part of postdoctoral training. She says students' relationships with their mentors are, quote, "unlike typical employer-employee relationships and not well served by a one-size-fits-all collective bargaining process." Peter McDonough is general counsel of the American Council on Education, which represents university leadership, and he agrees.

PETER MCDONOUGH: Graduate students are students - students first.

NOGUCHI: He says research universities in particular give their faculty wide latitude in setting up grad student work hours and schedules. He says losing that flexibility might jeopardize some kinds of research. McDonough also says the process has become very politicized and currently labor board members are reconsidering this issue for political instead of policy reasons. Even if his side loses this decision, he says, it could always change back when the composition of the board changes again.

MCDONOUGH: I have real doubts that it would be a sustaining view.

NOGUCHI: The NLRB has not said when it might issue a decision. Yuki Noguchi, NPR News, Washington.

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