The Next Pandemic Could Be Dripping On Your Head : Goats and Soda Bats, birds and tourists love a good cave. And so do viruses. Scientists say this mixture could trigger a deadly outbreak.

The Next Pandemic Could Be Dripping On Your Head

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On the island of Borneo in Malaysia, there is a cave that tourists from all over the world love to come to visit. It is called Gomantong. But this cave, it turns out, has a secret. It could have all the elements needed to start a pandemic.


The world is seeing more disease outbreaks than ever before - Ebola, Zika, bird flu - and the speed at which new viruses are appearing is increasing. This month, NPR is exploring why.

GREENE: And today, NPR's Michaeleen Doucleff takes us deep inside this cave to explain one reason why - it's the exotic vacations we like to take.

MICHAELEEN DOUCLEFF, BYLINE: If you want to see for yourself a place where deadly viruses could be hiding, you first need to buy a ticket.

GRAHAM WHITAKER: Three adults and one child.

DOUCLEFF: I'm in line with Graham Whitaker, his wife Jenny and son Sam. They're visiting from New Zealand. And we're heading into the mouth of the cave.

JENNY WHITAKER: Have you got a head torch Sammy could borrow, please?

DOUCLEFF: When you walk inside, it's breathtaking.

J. WHITAKER: My goodness.

G. WHITAKER: Fantastic.

DOUCLEFF: The cave is gorgeous. It looks like a cathedral. Forty, 50 feet high with this light streaming in from the side - it really is spectacular.

J. WHITAKER: How amazing.

DOUCLEFF: So we're going deeper in to the cave now.

J. WHITAKER: Be careful.

G. WHITAKER: It's slippery.

DOUCLEFF: Whoa, almost just slipped (laughter).

When Sammy shines his flashlight on the wall, we quickly realize we're not alone.



G. WHITAKER: Oh, my word. That wall is plastered with cockroaches.

DOUCLEFF: They're all over this banister.

SAM: They're everywhere.

DOUCLEFF: Because in the middle of the cave, there's an enormous mountain of their favorite food.

G. WHITAKER: Bat poo, basically just solid bat poo.

DOUCLEFF: Eight, maybe 10 feet deep, and the cockroaches love it. They feast on bat guano morning, noon and night. And boy, does it smell bad.

SAM: I'm trying not to breathe through my nose.

DOUCLEFF: Because of the smell?

SAM: Yeah - whoa.

J. WHITAKER: Oh, look, Graham, there's bats there.

DOUCLEFF: Right above us right now in the dark hole at the top.

That's the world of the bats. And there are millions, literally millions, of bats in these caves. And they just hang up there during the day, sleep and poop.

MIKE LINDLEY-JONES: We've been dripped on. Is this bat urine?

JIMMY LEE: It's just water.

LINDLEY-JONES: Just water.

DOUCLEFF: That's Mike Lindley-Jones. He's over from Australia. And he suddenly grabs the handrail covered in guano.

LEE: Don't touch your face.

DOUCLEFF: Don't touch your face, he's warned, because there may be something hidden in the bat guano, or even floating around in the air, something invisible - viruses.

KEVIN OLIVAL: Viruses are pretty hard to see.

DOUCLEFF: That's Kevin Olival. He's a virus-hunter with the New York-based EcoHealth Alliance. And this cave has him worried.

OLIVAL: That's why I'm wearing this mask.

DOUCLEFF: We're all wearing masks. That's because viruses love it here. They love bats. Some of our deadliest viruses hang out in bats - rabies, MERS, Nipah, Hendra, Marburg. And when those viruses spread from bats into people, they can cause a lot of damage. That's likely how the recent Ebola outbreak in West Africa got started. Olival says bats have had these viruses for a long, long time.

OLIVAL: Tens of thousands of years, if not longer.

DOUCLEFF: But now people all over the world are coming into contact with these bats at a faster rate than ever before. Bats are vital for keeping the rainforest alive. But we're increasingly cutting down rainforest and destroying the bats homes, hunting them down for food. And right here, we're using their favorite hideout as a tourist attraction. Last year, Olival's team went looking for new viruses in this cave and the surrounding forest. They couldn't believe what they found.

OLIVAL: We found about 48 new viruses and about 15 known viruses.

DOUCLEFF: And are any of those viruses dangerous to people?

OLIVAL: We found a lot of viruses we know nothing about. But a few of the viruses we found are related to SARS.

DOUCLEFF: SARS, a deadly virus that scared the world in 2003. It started in China and spread through Asia, hopped on a plane to the U.S. People panicked. They thought this was the big one, a pandemic that could kill millions. Luckily, health authorities stopped it in time. Now this new cousin of SARS could be above our heads in the bats.


OLIVAL: There you go. You just heard one.

DOUCLEFF: What is this device?

OLIVAL: This is a bat detector, which is a little box that allows you to hear what humans can't hear, which is the ultrasound that bats emit when they fly around. They're all around us. You could see them coming off the walls, actually.

DOUCLEFF: So the bats are hanging above us, hanging upside down above us, pooping out onto the floor of this cave. So some of that bat poop must contain this new virus.

OLIVAL: Yeah. I mean, a few of those pellets (laughter) probably do. But, you know, it's a very, very, very low risk.

DOUCLEFF: Such a low risk, Olival says, that for a virus to infect a tourist, it would be like the virus winning the lottery. Only some bats in the cave have the virus, so the chance that this bat poop is contaminated is low and then the tourist has to touch that contaminated poop, rub his eyes or mouth and get infected. That's another long shot. But here's the thing about lotteries, there's always a winner. And scientists worry it's the same thing with virus-filled bat caves.

OLIVAL: It's really a numbers game.

DOUCLEFF: Because there's so many bats up there and so many people in the world, eventually, it's going to happen - in some cave, at some moment.

OLIVAL: Yeah, it already has.

DOUCLEFF: Already has (laughter)?


DOUCLEFF: Back in 2008, a woman from Colorado took a trip to Uganda where she visited a bat cave, kind of like the one here. A few days after she got home, she got really sick. Eventually, she was diagnosed with what's called Marburg virus, a close relative to Ebola. She recovered. And she thinks she knows how she got the virus. She put her hand on a rock covered in bat guano. Fortunately, the woman didn't spread the disease to anyone else. But Olival says it's just a matter of time before another tourist does.

Tourism is one of the fastest growing economic sectors in the world. Last year, people took more than 1.2 billion international trips as tourists. And the consequences of any one of those trips could be big. Tourism helped spread Zika around the Americas, SARS to North America. And it's one of the main ways the flu gets around the world.

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As we're leaving this cave in Borneo, we run into two more tourist. It's a father-son pair from the States.

ANTHONY CARAVELLO: Anthony Caravello.

JOE CARAVELLO: Joe Caravello.

DOUCLEFF: Nice to meet you. And you're from...

J. CARAVELLO: From Florida.

DOUCLEFF: They just finished inside the cave when Anthony notices something on his dad's hat.

A. CARAVELLO: You've got a piece of guano on your hat.

J. CARAVELLO: (Laughter) Just what I wanted.

A. CARAVELLO: You've actually got a few pieces.

J. CARAVELLO: Well, wonderful. Maybe I can bring it home and show it off, right?

DOUCLEFF: In a few days, Joe says he's hopping on a plane and heading back home to Florida. Like most people touring the cave, Joe wasn't told about the potential risk because why scare away business when the risk is infinitesimally small for one tourist? But eventually, someone, somewhere won't be so lucky. And the impact of that could be global.

Michaeleen Doucleff, NPR News.


GREENE: And you should check out this animation of how an animal virus transforms into a deadly human virus at

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