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While Others Saw Refugees, This German Professor Saw Human Potential

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While Others Saw Refugees, This German Professor Saw Human Potential

While Others Saw Refugees, This German Professor Saw Human Potential

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When people flee their countries and become refugees, they leave behind nearly all their possessions. Often they give up their careers, too. They have to start over from scratch in their new countries. As part of his series Joe's Big Idea, NPR's Joe Palca went to Leipzig, Germany. There, a professor is trying to help refugee doctors, engineers and scientists reclaim their professional lives not just for their own sakes but for Germany's, too.


JOE PALCA, BYLINE: A few miles from the heart of Leipzig, there's a cluster of brick buildings from the 1920s. About 150 people live here - adults and children mostly from countries like Syria or Afghanistan. The place has a grim and institutional feel. House manager Alex Boyer (ph) says these buildings do not have a happy history. They were originally part of a psychiatric institution. Later, the Nazis used them to house forced laborers.

ALEX BOYER: And in the '50s, this was used for women in prostitution. And after, disabled people were living here. Yeah, it is a very bad history - all the time, people living here who nobody wants to see.

PALCA: There's not much for refugees to do here besides eat and sleep.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: (Speaking German).

PALCA: Oh, there are some German language classes...

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: (Speaking German).


PALCA: ...Some orientation courses for German life, but mostly, Boyer says, it's just waiting.

BOYER: The academic people - engineers, doctors - they were used to work their whole life. And here, they can do nothing, so, I mean, they're just waiting.

PALCA: And that idea of all that talent just waiting started to get under Professor Carmen Bachmann's skin.

CARMEN BACHMAN: I thought if they wait one year and they stopped researching and they stopped studying, it's a big loss. It's a loss for the people who lost their knowledge. It's a loss for the society.

PALCA: Today, Bachmann is a full professor at the University of Leipzig, but two decades ago, she too was languishing - a single mother on welfare going nowhere. The government was taking care of her basic needs like food and shelter, just as it's doing for the refugees now, but she says people need more.

BACHMAN: It's also a basic need that you use your brain for something.

PALCA: She says, look; the refugee situation isn't political for her. She doesn't care whether the refugees stay or go. But Bachman's a professor of tax and finance. To her, all these people just sitting around doing nothing...

BACHMAN: ...It's a waste of human capital. It makes no sense to lose this.

PALCA: She decided to look into what work opportunities were available for scientists and academics. She called the unemployment office and spoke with Ferry Heuer. He told her, sorry, we don't have anything for scientists.

FERRY HEUER: We don't have so much programs for highly qualified people - is the problem. Mostly, the most programs we have - it's for helper.

PALCA: Helpers - jobs like stocking shelves in big warehouses. Bachmann thought she could do better.

BACHMAN: I'm a full professor, and I thought my contribution to this problem is what my profession is. And I know the special need for the people who has an academic background, and I thought this is what I can contribute.

PALCA: She decided to create a website. She and one of her grad students modeled it on a dating site. Think for refugee academics looking to meet with German academics. Bachmann threw herself into the project. There were many nights with little sleep. Finally, four weeks after they started working on it, the website was ready to go live.

BACHMAN: I felt, like, goosebumps when we pushed the button, and the website was online. And then I thought, OK, now it's online. Now we can sleep. Now it will work.

PALCA: Only it didn't work. Oh, the media loved the project.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN #1: (Speaking German).

PALCA: Bachmann did lots of interviews.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN #2: (Speaking German).

BACHMAN: (Speaking German).

PALCA: And other universities got in touch. Great idea, they said. We want to help refugee academics, too.

BACHMAN: But we had no refugees.

PALCA: Not one signed up. Sure, Bachmann was discouraged, but she realized from experience that sometimes a personal touch is needed. When her life was on hold and she was a single mom on welfare, help didn't come from a website. It came from a former high school teacher who reached out to her.

BACHMAN: He nearly every second weekend brought me books or just wanted to talk about those books. And we were made a walk in the park with my child, and we just talked. This somehow kept me alive - that I can talk about these books with someone sometimes.

PALCA: Bachmann says that personal connection made an enormous difference in her life. So if the refugees weren't coming to her website, she would go to them.

BACHMAN: Can't be the big problem, so I will find them.

PALCA: She went to a refugee camp the government had set up in Leipzig.

BACHMAN: When I went inside and I saw the small beds and so many people on such a small place without any private sphere - this was shocking for me. It...

PALCA: There were hundreds of people, thousands?

BACHMAN: There were 1,600 people.

PALCA: And so you walked in and said, hello, is there a scientist here?

BACHMAN: Yeah because I didn't know how to go ahead with the project. So I just run around. I made some flyer, and I walked around and say, hello, is there anyone speaking English or speaking German? Well, I'm Carmen from the university.

PALCA: At first, the refugees didn't know what to make of this small, intense tax expert, but then, slowly, they started coming up to her. And they did something that surprised Bachmann.

BACHMAN: The first thing they showed me was, I have nothing, but I have my diploma.

PALCA: A diploma for a Ph.D. in biology or an engineering degree. And that's when she really began to understand how important their scientific training was to them. These people had fled with only their most precious possessions, and the diploma was one of them. She recalls one Syrian scientist she met in the camp.

BACHMAN: When he talked to me, he was just happy that I recognized him as a professor. He told me, I feel like nothing here. In Syria, I was a professor. And I come here, and I can do much more than sitting around here. And it became more concrete for me.

PALCA: It sounds to me like this went from an intellectual idea that you would try to do something to a more emotional commitment.

BACHMAN: I got personally affected by these because it's hell what they're going through - and yeah.

PALCA: Bachmann's commitment continues today, and her work is starting to pay off. More than 500 people have signed up for her website. About a quarter are refugee academics. Officials at the European Union have invited Bachmann to Brussels to discuss her project.

Before my producer and I said goodbye to Bachmann, she invited us to a university event where she set up an informational table to tell people about her website. When we get there, Carmen is standing with two refugees she'd like us to meet.

BACHMAN: Just two days ago, this great couple wrote me an email and asked me if I can connect them somehow to the scientific community in Leipzig.

YUHAN: Yeah. My name is Yuhan.

PALCA: He introduces his wife, Yiallo.

YIALLO: Hi. Nice to meet you. I come from Iran. I got my Ph.D. in nanotechnology.

PALCA: This, Carmen says, is what it's all about.

BACHMAN: I'm already happy about them. They came today, and we already made an appointment for next week that you can join the seminar, which is in English. So, you know, that makes me happy (laughter).

PALCA: Happy to keep intellectual capital and human capital from going to waste. Joe Palca, NPR News, Leipzig.

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