Trump Inquiries Flood Office Of Government Ethics; Director Walter Shaub Looks To House For Action Walter Shaub of the Office of Government Ethics, which lacks enforcement power, says the House Oversight Committee does not seem to be matching the surge of concern about the Trump administration.
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As Trump Inquiries Flood Ethics Office, Director Looks To House For Action

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As Trump Inquiries Flood Ethics Office, Director Looks To House For Action

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The chief of the Office of Government Ethics says his small staff has been inundated with questions and complaints about the Trump administration, but there's only so much his office can do. It coaches officials on how to obey ethics laws, but it can't launch investigations or penalize rule breakers. So director Walter Shaub, Jr., is calling on Congress to be more vigilant. NPR's Peter Overby reports.

PETER OVERBY, BYLINE: Walter Shaub says unprecedented numbers of Americans are turning to the Office of Government Ethics with questions about the Trump administration, but ethics oversight is up to Republican Congressman Jason Chaffetz of Utah.

WALTER SHAUB JR.: Chairman Chaffetz runs the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. He's got authority to investigate these things and compel responses, so hopefully we'll see some action from him.

OVERBY: Shaub said Chaffetz could investigate the White House use of secret waivers - that is, undisclosed decisions to exempt new appointees from the Trump administration's ethics pledge. The waivers were first reported Saturday in The New York Times. OGE lacks the investigative power to get the waivers from the White House.

So far, House Oversight has shown little interest in questioning the administration's ethics policies. Here's another example. Back in February, White House counselor Kellyanne Conway urged the public to buy merchandise marketed by Trump's daughter Ivanka. It seemed to violate the rule against using your position in government to endorse a product.

SHAUB JR.: When Kellyanne Conway had endorsed Ivanka Trump's product line, our phones rang off the hook, and they practically melted the system.

OVERBY: It wasn't the first time that Trump ethics questions overwhelmed the little agency's phone system. In the six months from last October to this March, OGE data show more than 39,000 public contacts with the agency - phone calls, emails and letters.

SHAUB JR.: That 39,000 number only counts the number of calls and emails that got through, but we've had a number of times where it just jammed the system, and a lot of calls weren't getting through.

OVERBY: Again, Walter Shaub...

SHAUB JR.: This is a level of attention that we haven't seen before in terms of public interest.

OVERBY: For perspective, OGE has stats on when the Obama administration came to D.C. in 2009. The number of public contacts then - about 700. And again, the number now - more than 39,000, all aimed at an agency with 71 employees and 11 percent of its jobs unfilled for lack of funds. Of course, the trigger for all this public attention is President Trump's approach to ethics. Here he is at a press conference a few days before he took office. He pointed out the conflict of interest law doesn't apply to presidents.

(SOUNDBITE OF PRESS CONFERENCE)

DONALD TRUMP: I have a no-conflict situation because I'm president, which is - I didn't know about that until about three months ago, but it's a nice thing to have.

OVERBY: Still, Shaub tried to coax Trump into selling off his assets, divesting them. He even used a Twitter campaign which may account, at least in part, for another eye-popping data point. OGE has more than 42,000 followers on Twitter. It has other followers, too, on Capitol Hill. A year ago, between October 2015 and March 2016, OGE received just 20 requests from lawmakers. This year, it's gotten more than five times as many. Peter Overby, NPR News, Washington.

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