Lukas Nelson On Surfing And Stingrays, A Childhood On Tour And His Georgia Love Story The Texas-born, Hawaii-raised musician has toured with Neil Young and his father, outlaw poet Willie Nelson. The new, self-titled album from his band, Lukas Nelson and Promise of the Real, is out now.

Lukas Nelson On Surfing And Stingrays, A Childhood On Tour And His Georgia Love Story

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Lukas Nelson has a name that opens doors. He is the son of the outlaw poet Willie Nelson. But he's put in his own work, too, spending years on tour with Neil Young, doing gigs with the musician who happens to be his father and still making time for his own music, like this from his new album "Lukas Nelson & Promise Of The Real."


LUKAS NELSON AND PROMISE OF THE REAL: (Singing) I'm sitting in a room waiting on an answer and hoping that the lord sees fit to let me leave. If the news ain't good, you ain't coming back.

SIMON: That's "Set Me Down On A Cloud" from Lukas Nelson's new album. He joins us now from our friends at member station KUT in Austin. Thanks so much for being with us.

LUKAS NELSON: Hey, thanks for having me.

SIMON: And where's your band's name come from, Promise Of The Real?

NELSON: I met my drummer, who I started the band with. His name is Anthony Logerfo. And we met at a Neil Young concert. And we loved each other's vibe. And we loved Neil so much that we decided to start a band together that night, really. Actually, we went surfing under the pier at midnight with a bunch of his friends. So first thing that happens to me is my first step in the water, I step on a stingray. And it whips around and stings me in the ankle. And I was like, oh, my God. But I didn't want to tell them because I didn't want to seem like I was chickening out. So I ended up surfing for like a couple hours with my ankle just throbbing.

And then finally, it kind of got too much. And I told the guys what had happened. And they were like, oh, my God. There's so many stingrays around here. Of course, we would have believed you. And then Anthony brought this pile of weed that was like 2 feet high it looked like to me at the time. And he's like, here, just listen to Neil and we'll roll this up. And one of the songs - the first song he put on, he's like, remember this song? And it's called "Walk On" by Neil Young. And the line is, some get stoned, some get strange, sooner or later it all gets real.


NEIL YOUNG: (Singing) It all gets real. Walk on. Walk on.

NELSON: And so I started the band called Promise Of The Real after that song there with Neil.

SIMON: Wow, what a night. As you say, you grew up in Hawaii.


SIMON: So where'd you get that Texas accent?

NELSON: Well, I'm born here in Austin. But my dad's had a place in Hawaii since the - like '78. And my mom thought that it would be kind of a nice place to really raise me along with Austin, going back and forth, because here in Austin, dad's got this kind of, you know, vibe. People think he's just the king. And she didn't want me growing up thinking I was a prince, you know? I really appreciate that.

SIMON: And you were on the road from the age of 13, I gather?

NELSON: Dad used to have us - my brother and I - both on stage even when we were a little tykes playing percussion, you know? I remember I had a dream when I was like 6 years old. And I was on stage, and I was terrified. I wanted to sing, but I was terrified to sing. And something told me to shrink all of my conscious awareness into my chest. And I started singing from that place. And the crowd went wild.

And after that dream, I was never afraid to be on stage and sing. And I didn't realize until way later in life that that dream was kind of a vision. And it was like a metaphor to, like, always if you - if you're ever fearful, just go into your heart and come from that place in whatever you're doing and that will alleviate the fear.

SIMON: Well, speaking of your heart, I want to ask you about one of your songs on this album. And it's a heartbreaker. Let's hear a little bit of "Forget About Georgia."


LUKAS NELSON AND PROMISE OF THE REAL: (Singing) And then when she told me her name, I knew I would die slowly. I knew I was destined to live with this pain every night for each night I stand with my father playing our music. We cry out her name and her memory under the lights.

SIMON: So you met this girl named Georgia.

NELSON: Yeah. I met this girl named Georgia in San Francisco. And so I fell in love with her, you know? And we were never really together. But it was just kind of this romantic back and forth for a while. And it was a heartbreak. And I learned a lot, you know? And I grew a lot from that relationship.

SIMON: But then you have to - you go on tour with your father. And what song do you have to sing every night?

NELSON: Yeah. And I have to sing her name every night because her name's Georgia. And, you know, I had to tell myself, I wonder if I just fell in love with her because her name was Georgia. I don't know. It just seemed like just a beautiful girl and her name was Georgia. And I've been listening to that my whole life, I wonder. But no, she was real special. And so it was really hard to forget about her. And it made it doubly hard because I had to go out sing that song every night with dad.


WILLIE NELSON: (Singing) Just an old sweet song keeps Georgia on my mind.

NELSON: And, you know, interestingly enough, full circle, I was singing this song live at a festival. And I was - I didn't - I hadn't spoken to her in months and years. And I was playing the beginning of it. And all of a sudden, as I'm playing it, like a dream, I see her walking up. And we lock eyes. And she comes and she starts - I mean, I'm getting chills just thinking about it because she just appeared out of nowhere.

And I sang the whole song to her just right there on stage. And then I didn't see her afterward. It was just this vision. And then I ended up reaching out. And we talked and said, hey, you know? But it was quite an event and that was just a few months ago.

SIMON: So she - I mean, she knows about the song then?

NELSON: Oh, yeah. She loves it.

SIMON: (Laughter) I guess she would.

NELSON: (Laughter).


LUKAS NELSON AND PROMISE OF THE REAL: (Singing) A part of me hopes that she will never forget about me.

SIMON: Well, you like being on the road?

NELSON: I love being on the road. It keeps me present because I'm not allowing my brain to get into any sort of pattern or start worrying about things that don't matter. Like, if I'm in a new place every day, I kind of have to be alert. And I'm kind of forced to stay in the present moment so that I can take what comes, you know?

SIMON: It can be hard on relationships, though, right?

NELSON: It can. But it also, in a way, it filters out the fluff. I mean, I grew up learning how to love somebody from afar. I grew up realizing that you don't need to be around somebody physically in order to trust and love them and in order for them to have your back and you have theirs.


SIMON: Lukas Nelson, his new album "Lukas Nelson & Promise Of The Real." Thanks very much for being with us.

NELSON: Hey, thank you. It's been great.


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