'I'm Gonna Listen To Myself Again': Ashley Monroe On Singing Through Pain The country singer and her producer Dave Cobb discuss working through trauma and pairing classic country influences with larger-than-life orchestration to create Sparrow.

'I'm Gonna Listen To Myself Again': Ashley Monroe On Singing Through Pain

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Country singer Ashley Monroe doesn't feel famous. I mean, she knows she's in a good place in her career. She's gotten a lot of critical acclaim for her music and has partnered up with household names like Miranda Lambert in the past. But when it comes to the big poppy sounds of modern country music, she's always felt sort of on the outside. Her sound is more Dolly Parton than Carrie Underwood.


ASHLEY MONROE: (Singing) I was only 13 when daddy died. And mama started drinking. And my brother just quit trying.

MARTIN: So when Ashley Monroe went looking for a producer for her new album, she wanted someone who could understand that. Enter Dave Cobb. He's been quietly shaking up Nashville by helping outsider musicians make it big in the mainstream, artists like Sturgill Simpson and Chris Stapleton.


CHRIS STAPLETON: (Singing) Seen my share of broken halos.

MARTIN: Together, Ashley Monroe and Dave Cobb have created one of this year's most interesting albums. It's country, but there's a whole lot more going on.


MONROE: (Singing) Heart, don't give up on me now.

We met once, and I just knew it was right. I know that he's a fan of music, and he feels it like I do. And I just thought, man, I really think that he would get me.

MARTIN: So I'm totally interested in that first meeting. It's like a date, right? Dave, when you sat down with Ashley, I mean, what were you trying to figure out?

DAVE COBB: Well, I think we're very different, but I think we're a lot like. We're both crazier than hell, you know?

MONROE: (Laughter).

COBB: She was just alive. I got really excited about finding a way to put all of our influences into a record, you know.

MARTIN: So speaking of your influences, I want to play a song that you both have identified as having been a creative influence on this album.


GLEN CAMPBELL: (Singing) I am a lineman for the county, and I drive the main roads searching in the sun for another overload.

MARTIN: I mean, that won't need to be identified for some of our listeners.

COBB: Bon Jovi. We both love Bon Jovi.


MARTIN: That was "Wichita Lineman" by the great Glen Campbell. How did Glen Campbell enter the process?

COBB: I think we played it the very first meeting, you know. On that specific song, he sings so pure. It's like he's singing right to your soul. And just the production around that is orchestral but yet intimate at the same time. So I think that was definitely something we're both inspired by and kind of filtered its way into the album.


MONROE: (Singing) How are you, Rita? How are you, Rita? Are you too tired to even try?

MARTIN: I mean, you hear the strings building, that drum riff. And it feels like something from a different era. And you talk about it, Dave, as being timeless, but it doesn't feel of the moment in Nashville right now.

COBB: But it should.

MONROE: But it should, yeah, but it should.


MARTIN: So Dave dialed in the sound and arranged the strings. But before any of that could happen, Ashley had to write these songs. And taken together, they create an intimate self-portrait. She writes about the death of her father, how her mom retreated and never really recovered. There's joy here, too - how Ashley herself has become a new mom and the openings that's created in her life.

MONROE: And I didn't really see the story all the way until after the record was made and we were kind of sequencing 'cause there were like some sexual ones, and then there's some about my mom and dad, you know. So I'm like, we've got to separate the sexy ones from the parental ones.

MARTIN: (Laughter).

MONROE: But once we did, and I kind of saw like, oh, wow, you know, this - it's saying something.


MONROE: (Singing) How does the sparrow know more than I? When the mother is gone, it learns how to fly.

I can let loose when I sing. I mean, right after my dad died, I was 13. And I would go and I was just hurting so bad. And there was nothing you could do, you know, that pain that's like you just got to feel it. And I would just go get my guitar and just start humming just because I felt at ease when I sang.

MARTIN: He had cancer. Is that right?

MONROE: Yeah. He had cancer. He was 40 years old when he passed. And he died three months after we found out.


MONROE: (Singing) Nobody told me what I should do when the world starts to rumble and shake under you. How does an orphan find its way home? Reach out with no hand to hold. How do I make it alone?

MARTIN: It's a beautiful song, but you can feel all that pain in there of that 13-year-old kid.

MONROE: When that happened, everything was bad. I was living with my brother, just trying to keep all my mom's secrets. It was just a twisted old web, you know. And, again, music was the only thing I had. I started writing, and just that's all I knew to do, you know.

MARTIN: So, Dave, when Ashley sits down to record a song like "Orphan" that come from that deeply emotional place, I mean, what's your role in that? How do you counsel or coach someone?

COBB: Well, I didn't. I think she's really made this beautiful peace with, you know, where she's at. And I think this record was maybe putting those thoughts down on tape and letting them go. So when she was recording, you know, she'd be in the booth singing the deepest, darkest thing you've ever heard. But somewhere in that, there was a joy.

MONROE: I 100 percent agree with that, and I hadn't thought of it like that because since I recorded it, I feel like a new person. I feel healed.


MONROE: (Singing) I'm going to miss you, fast and forbidden, ripe on the vine.

MARTIN: The last song I want to play is called "Wild Love." And there is a different vibe on this song than anything else on the album. Let's listen to this.


MONROE: (Singing) Wild love. Wash over me like (unintelligible) on the rain. Wild love. Take over me and I'll never be the same. I want love. I want a wild, wild, wild love.

MARTIN: I think this song is so cool.

MONROE: I love it too, I told Dave when we were making the record that I can't stop listening to myself. And I still can't because I love myself now all of a sudden.

COBB: Didn't you tell me, like, you rolled up to somebody, rolled down the window and then she said, that's me. That's me.

MONROE: Oh, yeah. I'm not kidding, I really do. I open my sunroof, and I blast it.

MARTIN: I'm going to listen to me.

MONROE: I want to listen to myself again. But I don't think of it as me. I'm just thinking like, man, I like this. It's groovy.

MARTIN: That's cool. The record is called "Sparrow." We've been talking with Ashley Monroe and her producer Dave Cobb. You two, it was so fun. Thanks so much for talking with us.

COBB: Thank you.

MONROE: Thank you.


MONROE: (Singing) Wild love.

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