It's Been a Minute: California Fires, Beto O'Rourke Running, Drunk Raccoons : It's Been a Minute with Sam Sanders It's Friday. Guest host Elise Hu tries to "work this whole" news thing out with Los Angeles Times health reporter Soumya Karlamangla and Snapchat's Good Luck America host, Peter Hamby. Soumya talks twin tragedies in her hometown of Thousand Oaks, Peter questions CNN's election night re-do, and Elise finds no great deception in this week's North Korea news.

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EVA: Hi, this is Eva. Elise is my mom. This week on the show, Los Angeles Times reporter Soumya Karlamangla and host of "Good Luck Of America" (ph)...


"Good Luck America."

EVA: "Good Luck America" on Snapchat, Peter Hamby. OK, let's start the show.


HU: Hey, y'all. From NPR, I'm Elise Hu. IT'S BEEN A MINUTE. Sam is on vacation, but I am a fellow Texan. So he trusted me enough to fill in 'cause he knew I was going to drop enough y'alls, I guess.

PETER HAMBY: (Laughter).

HU: As Eva said, I'm here today with Peter Hamby, host of Snapchat's "Good Luck America," not "Good Luck Of America."

HAMBY: That was cute, though.

HU: (Laughter).


HU: And next to Peter is Soumya Karlamangla, health reporter at the LA Times. Hey, Soumya.


HU: The music you're hearing behind us here is a cross-cultural collaboration. It's the British pop star Dua Lipa with one of K-pop's biggest groups. Do you recognize this song?



DUA LIPA: (Singing) Touch me like you touch nobody. Put your hands all up on me.

HU: This is called "Kiss And Make Up."


LIPA: (Singing) Kiss and make, kiss, kiss and make up.

HU: It is Dua Lipa with BLACKPINK. BLACKPINK is an all-woman quartet. It is the only Korean girl group to make it on the Billboard Hot 100 list more than once.


HU: BLACKPINK, as a group, is multilingual. They're going to keep making waves, too. The group collectively speaks Korean, English, Japanese and Thai.


HU: And the only K-pop acts that are bigger than BLACKPINK, globally, are - guess.


HU: Psy.

HAMBY: Right.

HU: And BTS.

HAMBY: Who are the, like, dancing dudes with the awesome haircuts?


KARLAMANGLA: (Laughter).

HAMBY: That's BTS? OK.

HU: You nailed it.


HU: So right behind Psy and BTS is BLACKPINK. Now you have some cocktail chatter. What about y'all? What are your favorite artist collaborations? Doesn't have to be international.

HAMBY: That's a tough one...

KARLAMANGLA: Yeah. You're really putting us on the spot.

HU: You're from the South. So I was thinking of my second favorite, besides this one this week - Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood.

HAMBY: I'm that - I'm not for that. I love country music. I'm one of those, like, snobby, like, music guys who's like, I don't like mainstream country, though, so...

HU: Oh, it's...

HAMBY: I've never - I have heard that a Garth Brooks show can change your life, though.

KARLAMANGLA: I don't understand anything about this conversation.

HU: (Laughter).


LIPA: (Singing) Kiss and make, kiss, kiss and make up. Kiss and make up. Kiss and make, kiss, kiss and make up.

BLACKPINK: (Singing in Korean).

HU: All right. Well, then let's start the show as we do. We each reflect on some news of the week in three words. Peter, I'm going to let you go first.

HAMBY: As I reflected on the news of the week, the words that jumped to mind, as a political dork - that is my profession - are election do-over. CNN, this week, on Tuesday night, decided to do another round of election night coverage with their reporters scattered all over the country and their panelists and their walls and their stats.

This was because election night last Tuesday wasn't over. But it was treated by the national media as if it were happening all that night. And that led to a lot of narratives being formed around the election when lots and lots and lots of races, including plenty of House races, hadn't been called yet...

KARLAMANGLA: Weren't called, right.

HU: So it was as if it was last Tuesday?


HU: Did they set up the sets all over again?

HAMBY: I mean, they were open about the fact that it was not...

KARLAMANGLA: Like, we're...

HAMBY: ...The same Tuesday.


KARLAMANGLA: Like pretend?

HAMBY: Yes, with the very sexy branding of, I think, Election Night Continued.

HU: Oh.

HAMBY: Yeah. I mean, and look. There - in fairness to CNN, I'm glad they did this because political narratives get formed very quickly because of Twitter. They immediately radiate out into cable news, network news, the newspapers. And frequently, especially with exit polling, which is often faulty, those narratives can be wrong. Like, parsing, like, is this or is this not a wave is sort of a - sort of stupid way to talk about politics...

HU: Right because it's so esoteric what makes a wave a wave, you know...

HAMBY: Yeah, exactly. I mean, Democrats won the national popular vote, if you want to measure the House vote that way, by around 7 points. They swept into office in plenty of Republican-leaning districts. They have recaptured Orange County, which is bananas, right? That's like the cradle of kind of Reagan-era conservatism.

Again, there were these big standout races, like, you know, Cruz versus O'Rourke in Texas, your home state - in Florida, in Georgia, that like - those were the rock stars. And when they lost early on, I think a lot of people online - in particular, like, on the left - were dispirited, like...

HU: Yeah, like a big sense of...


HU: ...Disappointment about the evening.

HAMBY: Totally. But there are these very unsexy candidates, like Tony Evers in Wisconsin, for example...

KARLAMANGLA: Yeah. No idea, never heard of him (laughter).

HAMBY: ...Beat Scott Walker. Right. He is an uber-nerd. He's, like, the former state superintendent of education, just, like, a middle-aged white guy. But Democrats won back Wisconsin - right? - which was - like, Scott Walker won three statewide elections there. There's not a ton of bad news for Democrats. Was it a wave? I mean, probably...

KARLAMANGLA: But, also, who's to say, right?

HAMBY: Yeah.


HU: Does the media do anything differently, though, next time? I mean, we're lamenting the fact that this had to be an election night redo and that election night was - is always covered like it's fight night - right? - like it's an event. But do you think that because of what happened in 2018 that suddenly, in 2020, CNN's going to be like, all right...

KARLAMANGLA: I feel CNN's still going to do the same thing just because people want to know what's happening. And you want to be able to go to sleep that night and say this person won, and this person lost. But maybe they'll have to do seven consecutive days of election night coverage, where it's changing a little by little every day.

HU: Yeah. I could see them making it Election Week, like Shark Week...

KARLAMANGLA: I'm sure they'd love that (laughter), yeah.

HAMBY: Well, and we forget that - I don't know the exact number here. But, like 30 million people voted early. Like, Election Day starts well before Election Day and...

HU: Yeah.

HAMBY: ...As we've learned...

HU: That's a good point.

HAMBY: ...Over the last week, it...

KARLAMANGLA: Election Month.

HAMBY: ...Continues after election night.

KARLAMANGLA: Maybe they should do Election Month...

HAMBY: Totally, which, like, again...

HU: Great for ratings, yeah.

HAMBY: Exactly. Another reason CNN wanted to do Election Night Continued but also recount in Florida - three recounts in Florida, I think. Ad commissioner - don't forget the ad commissioner race, very important.

HU: Man.

KARLAMANGLA: (Laughter).

HAMBY: Senate and gov...


HAMBY: ...Georgia and then all of these sort of, like, uncounted House races. Like, New Jersey was still being counted. California's still being counted.

KARLAMANGLA: Right. And - what? - it's been a week and a half. We're still counting.

HAMBY: Yeah. And that's - I'm a new-ish (ph) California resident...


HAMBY: But one of the things that every political person out here told me was like, California takes a long time to count votes...


HU: They're still counting, right...

KARLAMANGLA: Yeah, in some counties.

HU: In some of the counties.

HAMBY: They're still counting...

KARLAMANGLA: We're a giant state...

HU: It's like the Young Kim race, yeah.

KARLAMANGLA: Yeah, yeah.

HU: All right. We are sitting here in Culver City, Calif. Obviously, there's been some big news here. And, Soumya, your three words, please.

KARLAMANGLA: Yes. My three words are, what's burning now?

HU: Ah.

KARLAMANGLA: With a question mark because that is how I've felt every day for the past, like, eight days. So the - there are fires all up and down California. And the winds move really fast. And it's really dry. And so these fires are just able to spread. So I'm from Thousand Oaks. So last week, I woke up to news of a shooting in my hometown.

HAMBY: Gosh.

KARLAMANGLA: And then I went out to Thousand Oaks to cover the shooting for the paper. And I was sitting in a coffee shop, turned around. There was a fire, I don't know, at the nearest - on the nearest mountain. We kind of ignored it. It was pretty far away from my parents' house. Twelve hours later, we had to evacuate, drive over to my apartment in LA so my parents could have a place to sleep.

And then, the fire luckily didn't impact Thousand Oaks that much but then went over to Malibu, has burned tons of houses. I think the count's up to about 500 structures, three people dead. And that's not even talking about the Northern California fire, where - that destroyed the entire town of Paradise. And already 63 people have been killed.

HU: Yeah. I can't remember any time in modern American history when a town of more than 25,000 - right? - which was Paradise, was...


HU: ...Incinerated within...


HU: ...Something like six hours....

KARLAMANGLA: ...Horrifying, yeah.

HU: The death toll from the fires in Northern and Southern California this morning, as we tape, at least 63 people dead with more than 600 still missing.


HU: We should mention, though, that officials are still hoping that that 600 number includes a lot of folks who evacuated and just didn't realize they haven't been accounted for. But Soumya, these twin disasters for you and for Thousand Oaks - the fire's causing so much displacement. How is the community even processing this? How are your parents?

KARLAMANGLA: My parents are OK. They're back to work. Our house is fine, but it's just been unbelievable. Like, yesterday, I went to a memorial for the sergeant who died and was killed in the shooting. And, you know, you're at the memorial. And you look around, and all of the hills around where the church was were jet black because they'd all been charred. It was just, like, so much evidence of two horrible things happening at the same time.

HU: Peter, you and I are still pretty new to California. How have you experienced all this?

HAMBY: A couple things. I mean, I live in Venice. So, like, I think the Saturday - the first Saturday after the fires really started burning...

HU: We could smell it.

HAMBY: Maybe I was downwind of it. You could smell it. There was haze on the west side of LA. These fires are happening, like, with more frequency and intensity. Hurricanes are the same way. The stuff that people warned us about about climate change is increasingly just not 10, 20 years in the future. Like, it's happening right now. I don't think our political establishment is actually...

HU: Is reckoning with it.

HAMBY: ...Talking about it...

HU: Yeah.

HAMBY: ...That...


HAMBY: ...Much at all. Obviously, like, Trump pulling out of the climate accord has, like, serious consequences. I just don't think it surfaces itself in the national political conversation very often.

HU: Yeah. I learned this new term this week - climate grief...


HU: ...Which is something that all of us feel as we - even if we're not directly affected by the fires like you've been, the feeling that we have when we watch parts of our planet burn, parts of our state burn and kind of have this helplessness about it knowing that this is going to happen more and then, also, that we can't do that much about it at this point. But we're all kind of connected, right?

HAMBY: I did not know that.


HAMBY: I mean, to speak to a truth in the media and the DNA of how people in Washington think at least, like, as much as climate change is validated by science, there is still this sort of impulse to treat it as a political debate...


HU: Yeah.

HAMBY: ...And a both-sides debate when it's not. But I do think a lot of sort of mainstream political journalists sort of treat it as a controversial issue.

KARLAMANGLA: It's, like, a...

HU: Still.

KARLAMANGLA: ...Hot-button issue, yeah.

HAMBY: Exactly...


HAMBY: ...As opposed to, like, a reality.


HU: So my three words I saved for last because - and you'll see why. The three words are, no great deception. We hadn't heard much about North Korea for several weeks until Monday, when The New York Times dropped a front page story with the headline, In North Korea, comma - there's always that comma in the North - in The New York Times headlines...

KARLAMANGLA: I love the comma.

HAMBY: Dangling clause.


HU: "In North Korea, Missile Bases Suggest A Great Deception." Did you catch the story?

KARLAMANGLA: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

HU: So it used a new report from CSIS, which is a - you know, legit think tank, about North Korea's other nuclear missile sites, the ones that they haven't started dismantling and that they never have declared to the rest of the world. So the immediate implication is that Trump was actually getting played, that North Korea is somehow deceiving him. But North Korea, when it agreed to that Singapore summit deal with Trump in June, never actually signed on to anything specific.

KARLAMANGLA: And there was no timeline attached to this at all, right?

HU: And no declaration of even what it had.


HU: And the second is, there's no actual revelations in the report about secret missile sites that the U.S. government didn't already know about.

KARLAMANGLA: Yeah. So you're saying that they made it seem like Trump got completely tricked and America got tricked. But our intelligence officials already knew about all of those sites.

HU: That's right.


HU: And then, also, you can't really accuse somebody of abrogating an agreement that they never signed onto.

KARLAMANGLA: But didn't Trump present it as though it was an agreement? So I feel like that's what The New York Times was saying. Like, Trump said, I fixed all these problems; we made this agreement. Although, technically you're right. There was no agreement.

HU: Yeah, I guess the deception part is the problem.


HU: It kicked up a big controversy in the North Korea-watcher community.

HAMBY: That's not an insignificant community these days.

HU: No, it's not.

HAMBY: Right?

HU: There is some North - there is actually some legit North Korea news right now because Vice President Pence has been in Asia. And he did announce this week that there will be another summit. We don't know what's going to happen, but there is going to be another U.S.-North Korea summit. There was somebody, during the first round of summits, that speculated that Donald Trump just likes to have summits.

HAMBY: Yeah, he - Donald Trump is a master of attention. I - the first summit, it was an enormous photo op, where - full of pageantry. And he got to walk down carpets and shake hands. And there was, you know, military attendants. And, like, was that February?

HU: June.

HAMBY: June, sorry.

HU: It's been a long year.

HAMBY: It's been a long year. (Laughter).

HU: OK, it's time for a break. Coming up, we're going to call up a parent in Baraboo, Wis. That's where a photo of dozens of white high school boys making a Nazi salute went viral this week. You're listening to IT'S BEEN A MINUTE from NPR. We'll be right back.


HU: We're back. You're listening to IT'S BEEN A MINUTE from NPR, the show where we catch up on the week that was. I'm Elise Hu, in for Sam Sanders, here today with Peter Hamby, reporter and host at Snapchat and Vanity Fair. What's up, Peter?


HU: Also with...


HAMBY: Was that supposed to be less?

HU: No, that was great.


KARLAMANGLA: No, I thought it was good.


HU: I'm also here with Soumya Karlamangla, health reporter with the LA Times.


HU: Hey, there. Before we get back to some serious news, I have a question for you both. What's your chicken consumption like?

KARLAMANGLA: Low 'cause I'm vegetarian (laughter).

HU: So zero, really.


HAMBY: I'm not, like, a fitness guy who, like, measures his macros or anything. But I eat a lot of protein. So...

KARLAMANGLA: What's a lot?

HAMBY: I would say like I eat...

HU: What's your favorite protein though?

HAMBY: Chicken - yeah, definitely chicken.

HU: You're still into chicken.

HAMBY: But I mix it up, yeah.

HU: OK. I'm asking because the chicken industry is in a slump. Tyson reported earnings this Tuesday. Operating income from chicken fell 34 percent from a year ago.


HU: But beef - beef income is up 14 percent. And investment analysts say the shift away from chicken and to beef and pork is way more pronounced than imagined.

KARLAMANGLA: That's so weird.

HU: You want to know why? Yeah. Part of the reason for the growth in beef and pork is tariffs. Pork prices are down. And restaurants and fast food chains are offering more pork and beef options because it's cheaper. And so to pimp out bacon, Wendy's is offering a promo for a sandwich called S'Awesome Hamburger, that's S apostrophe awesome.

HAMBY: What's in it, though?

HU: Three strips of bacon.

HAMBY: See, that - I'm pro that.

KARLAMANGLA: Is their sausage in it? Because it kind of sounds like sausage.

HAMBY: That's what I thought.



HAMBY: And I would also eat a sausage burger. I know that grosses you out.

HU: No, I mean, come on, we eat sausage biscuit sandwiches.

HAMBY: I just really like sausage.

KARLAMANGLA: (Laughter).

HU: All right. Now it's time for a segment we call Long Distance.


HU: At the beginning of this week, a chilling image went viral. It's a group of about 50 kids, nearly all white, throwing up Nazi salutes for their junior prom picture. One of them in front seems to go further, making the OK gesture favored by white supremacists. These kids are catching national attention just as worries about the rise of white nationalism in this country grow. And the FBI released new numbers this week showing hate crimes jumped 17 percent since last year, up for the third year in a row now.

The school hired the photographer who took the picture. The kids say they were following his instructions to wave. The image came out because the photographer put it on his professional website. A New York-based reporter reposted it on Twitter. That's how it went viral, and that's how we know about it. Huge controversy, so we wondered, what's it like in Baraboo this week? To talk about it, we called up a dad of two daughters who go to Baraboo, Nate Mathis-Vargas, who is white, like more than 90 percent of that town and its high school.

Hey, Nate. Can you hear me OK?


HU: Well, thanks for doing this. It must be a strange and stressful time.

MATHIS-VARGAS: Not a problem.

HU: You have two daughters who go to Baraboo High School, a freshman and a junior. What has this week been like?

MATHIS-VARGAS: It's been strange, to be honest with you. A friend posted that picture on Facebook from the original Twitter post, and I was appalled. I was like, what? This is where my kids go to school. They walk the hallways with these kids. I don't want my kids surrounded by people who feel that way or think that way. And, you know, then, at the end of the day, I called my ex-wife to get my daughters on speakerphone so that the four of us could discuss it together. And they weren't aware of a lot about the Nazi army itself. So they didn't understand what that meant, which was more shocking to me than the picture itself. It's like, how did they not teach that? How do they not know that? And I explained to them that they need to know. You need to know what that means. You need to know what it means to be marginalized and why that issue is such a - like, why people are freaking out about it.

HU: And what did those conversations sound like? What did y'all say to each other?

MATHIS-VARGAS: Well, obviously, because they're teenagers, they were - and they're proud of where they go to school. And their friends were in that picture. They took the position of, you know, they didn't know what they were doing. They didn't understand what was wrong with it - you know, the people in the picture themselves - and that they felt bad for the kids. And there's kids who were being threatened. And, you know, they were taking offense that their friend was being attacked. And the school was on a soft lockdown this last week because they...

HU: Wow.

MATHIS-VARGAS: ...Have received threats at the school.

HU: Wow. What does that mean for the students to be on soft lockdown as a result of a viral photo of Heil Hitler signs?

MATHIS-VARGAS: It's stressful. My daughter, when I first messaged her about it and asked how she was doing, she said that she - everything around the school was very tense that day. And she just wanted to cry, which really hurt my heart. Like, I don't ever want her to feel like that or any kid to feel like that. And a soft lockdown means they can't - they have an open campus generally, so the students can leave school to go to lunch. And during this whole entire week, they haven't been allowed to do that.

HU: What has this whole episode taught you?

MATHIS-VARGAS: I feel like it opened my eyes to a little bit more about what I need to do as a parent on talking to my kids about these kinds of things. My oldest daughter - she was very offended by the fact that the whole world, you know, was talking about it. And she felt like it was shedding an unfair light on the city itself. And I used that opportunity to kind of explain to her what it meant to be marginalized because, you know, people who dealt with that and anybody who deals with, you know, bullying or harassment - or because of the color of their skin, they were picked on or bullied or marginalized in the past. And so I said, you know, take how you feel right now in this situation. You're upset. You feel like everyone is judging you and unfairly. That's how those people feel every single day of their lives. And it's kind of bringing things to light.

HU: Now, I understand that more than 10 percent of the thousand kids at Baraboo High School are people of color. The journalist who first put up this photo says alumni have been writing in to him, saying that the school doesn't seem to do much about racial bullying at school.


HU: What are teachers and administrators doing to be better?

MATHIS-VARGAS: So far, they've only sent out a letter saying, you know, that we acknowledge there was a serious default on our side of the situation and that they're going to start offering more classes and more strict guidelines when it comes to what they learn and how they deal with situations when it comes to racial discrimination. And when it comes to those posts of alumni who go to school there, am I surprised that that had happened? No.

I mean, I grew up in a small town. You know, I wasn't out at the time. But everyone just assumed I was gay, which I am. But I was bullied mercilessly about it. And, you know, it's because people that grow up in areas like that - they're not exposed to things in the world that they don't understand. And they feel like because they don't see it, they don't understand it, and the people that are around them agree with it - that it makes it OK.

I do have to say that, you know, the school sent a letter yesterday. And I, at first, was very upset with school, thinking that they didn't do what they needed to do. And obviously, they haven't in the past. But now the world is watching them. And I feel like that is the best possible outcome of the situation - is the students and the school don't need to make excuses for what happened. Acknowledge it. Say it was wrong. Say, we understand that we hurt people and, you know, go forward being better.

HU: All right. Well, here's to more difficult conversations that hopefully offer some lessons not only to the kids but to the whole community. Nate, thank you so much for joining us.

MATHIS-VARGAS: Absolutely.


HU: Thanks again to Nate Mathis-Vargas. His daughters go to Baraboo High School in Wisconsin. I'm back here with Peter and Soumya. What were y'all's reactions when y'all saw this?

KARLAMANGLA: It was crazy. Yeah. And also, from that interview, like, I honestly can't believe that people don't know what that means.

HU: Yeah. That's what the kids are saying.

KARLAMANGLA: Yeah. And that just seems like a really convenient excuse. And even if it's real, that is a problem in itself that they don't know what that means.

HU: But they would've had to know it - know what it meant enough to think it was funny.

HAMBY: I have a lot of thoughts about this. So I work at Snapchat. I work on political news at Snapchat. And so I immerse myself with high school and college-age people primarily. And like, my show, for example - 90 percent of the audience is under 25. So I go to high schools. I talk to high school kids.

HU: Yeah.

HAMBY: Like, if they stop me on the street, I talk...

HU: Yeah.

HAMBY: ...To them. I'm just curious how they view the world. White high school boys think that things like this are funny. They think Donald Trump is kind of trolly (ph) and fun because it is transgressive. And it gets people angry.

HU: So this is just trolling...

HAMBY: I think...

HU: ...To them.

HAMBY: ...That it's hard to believe they wouldn't know that this is, like, a Nazi salute.


HAMBY: But it has been reappropriated in the sort of, like, Trumpy (ph), Reddit era into just, like, a thing that's, like, fun to mess with people. And I guarantee you plenty of these kids in - if not already, will in a year or two to be like, oh, man. I can't believe I did that. That was a stupid thing.

HU: So are you saying that these symbols of hate - holding up the Nazi salute - that it's divorced from its original meaning?

HAMBY: Yeah. I mean, I think we saw that in 2016.

HU: How so?

HAMBY: I'm not - well, I mean, like, with the sort of, like, alt-right figures.

KARLAMANGLA: I feel like it's supposed to be, like, ironic...

HAMBY: Yeah.


HAMBY: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

KARLAMANGLA: Which is...

HU: Ironic Nazism.

KARLAMANGLA: Which, like, I think you could say, you know, there's a hard line. You can't do that.

HU: Yeah.

HAMBY: And, like, Millennials and Gen Z are, like, the largest demographic population in this country. And a lot of them are coming of age at a moment when things like this are just in the water.

HU: So what do you think should happen to the kids?

HAMBY: Look. I think they need to have cultural conversations with people who don't look like them.

HU: Yeah. Yeah.

HAMBY: I generally don't think people in high school should be, like, tortured forever by their actions, but they should have to reckon with what they did.

KARLAMANGLA: Yeah, I don't think that there should be a formal punishment. But I feel like they need a history lesson and talking to - like Peter said, talking to people who aren't like them. But...

HU: Yeah, and it sounded like...

KARLAMANGLA: ...And dealing with it on a personal level needs to be done.

HU: It sounded like from the dad, too, that they are having some really awkward and difficult conversations that needed to be had.


HU: And the kids are learning a lot. All right. Time for a break. When we come back, we'll play Who Said That.

HAMBY: (Laughter).

HU: Should I say who said that?


HU: Who said that?


HU: You're listening to IT'S BEEN A MINUTE from NPR, the show where we catch up on the week that was. I'm Elise Hu in for Sam Sanders, here today with Peter Hamby, reporter and host at Snapchat, also a contributing writer at Vanity Fair. Also here with Soumya Karlamangla, health reporter with the Los Angeles Times.


HU: And it's kind of the El Segundo times now, right? It moved.

KARLAMANGLA: Yeah, we're right across from LAX. We have a view of the planes landing.

HU: Oh, lovely.

KARLAMANGLA: It's kind of nice.

HAMBY: There's an In-N-Out Burger over there.

KARLAMANGLA: There is. There's, like, two restaurants. It's good (laughter)

HU: Well, y'all now it's time for my favorite part of IT'S BEEN A MINUTE, really, Who Said That.


KANDI BURRUSS: Who had been saying that?

PORSHA WILLIAMS: Who said that?

KENYA MOORE: Who said that?

HU: The game is simple. I share a quote from the week. You have to guess who said that or at least the story where the quote is coming from. Best of three. And the prize we have this week for the winner is - wait for it.

KARLAMANGLA: Chicken (laughter).

HU: That would be so good. I should just get, like, a gigantic, frozen chicken. And if you win, you have to...

KARLAMANGLA: I'll give it to Peter.

HAMBY: Yeah, exactly.

HU: Yeah, you have to give it to Peter.

KARLAMANGLA: He loves chicken.

HAMBY: So I win.

HU: Big fan of protein.

HAMBY: I love protein.

HU: And you can just yell out the answer when you know this, OK?


HU: Here we go. First quote - "If you see a staggering and disoriented raccoon, please do not approach it." Who said that?

KARLAMANGLA: Is this, like, a high raccoon?



HU: I'm just going to give it to you.


HU: It was close enough. "If you see a staggering and disoriented raccoon, please do not approach it" is a quote from police in Milton, W. Va., where they have had multiple calls about raccoons stumbling around town. They suspected rabies. But according to the police, it turns out they appear to be drunk on crab apples (laughter). Police in Gilbert, Minn., also got reports of birds getting sauced and flying into windows, cars and acting confused.

KARLAMANGLA: Wait. Crab apples?

HU: So raccoons were getting drunk on crab apples.

KARLAMANGLA: How do you get drunk on a crab apple?

HU: I guess the effect of a crab apple on a raccoon's system leads it to act...

KARLAMANGLA: So I can't get drunk on crab apples.

HU: No. I mean, you can try.

HAMBY: You can ferment it, like, sit it in a jar.

KARLAMANGLA: Like, in my bath tub.

HU: Yes.

HAMBY: Exactly.

HU: Speaking of fermenting, so the reason why the birds were getting drunk and flying into windows - an early frost meant that berries fermented before the birds flew south for the winter. And so they were eating them and getting drunk.

HAMBY: I feel like these are signs of the apocalypse. Like, you might be listening to this tomorrow. But then all of us will be gone.

HU: Yeah, birds are always a little creepy...

HAMBY: Right.

HU: ...And a sign that things might be going wrong. Soumya, you get a point.


HU: All right. Next quote - "If I walked into Congress wearing a sack, they would laugh and take a picture of my backside."

HAMBY: Oh, that's Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


HU: Peter Hamby, everybody.

KARLAMANGLA: Politics expert. Give us the context.

HAMBY: This story was so ridiculous.

KARLAMANGLA: It was crazy and dumb.

HAMBY: An emblem of our stupid politics.


HAMBY: Ocasio-Cortez, new House member, the youngest ever woman elected to the House, has obviously been getting lots and lots of media attention in part because she's a young woman, in part because she is a democratic socialist, in part because she embraces social media. She embraces the media. She's not like one of these cautious politicians. Anyway, she is also - really gets under the skin of conservatives. And there is a conservative reporter on the Hill who saw her and sort of said like, oh, this looks like she's wearing, like, a really nice jacket and skirt, like, doesn't look like this...

HU: She can't afford rent or something like that.

HAMBY: Yeah. She can't afford rent. Or she's struggling or whatever.

KARLAMANGLA: It doesn't look like she's struggling with something like that.

HAMBY: Yeah. And, like, that's part of her biography, right? Like, she's a working-class, like, waitress, et cetera. And like, this guy got ratio-ed to hell on Twitter.

KARLAMANGLA: (Laughter).

HAMBY: Like, everyone replied, like, dude, what are you doing?

HU: So this guy's name is Eddie Scarry. He's with the Washington Examiner. And the tweet was worse than we're even portraying it as because he said, doesn't look like a girl who is struggling.

HAMBY: That's so dumb. I mean, like, so many - there are just so many more important things to write about and talk about than, like, getting your stupid content retweeted. I - last time I looked, I thought he might have deleted the tweet...


HAMBY: ...Not that that matters these days. But he did delete it.

HU: But your knowing about this dumb story gave you a point in Who Said That. So y'all are tied.



HU: Let's move on - best of three. Here we go.


HU: Just yell it out if you know it. "I was concerned that I might slip, that the ground would be too slick. But it was wet and grainy enough that traction wasn't a problem."

HAMBY: Is it an athlete?


HAMBY: Clearly not.


HU: I'm going to give you another quote...


HU: ...From the same...

HAMBY: From the same, like...

HU: ...Person.

HAMBY: ...Fictional farmer from a Depression-era novel. Go on (laughter).

HU: You're going to love this when you know who it is. "Snow in my face, the flakes smaller, more biting now, maybe sleet" - lots of Oxford commas.

KARLAMANGLA: This is like experiencing...

HAMBY: Is it Beto O'Rourke?

HU: Yes.


HAMBY: Yes. This was so weird/awesome.

HU: Soon-to-be former Congressman Beto O'Rourke lost his campaign for Texas Senate. And he wrote his first noncampaign Medium post about his run in Washington, D.C., on the first day of snow. And it was this weird stream-of-consciousness description of the run. At some point, somebody...

HAMBY: He ran to the Lincoln Memorial...

HU: Yes.

HAMBY: ...And, like, wrote down one of the quotes that he read on the memorial.

HU: Yeah.

HAMBY: I mean, like, look. He's having some feelings right now, right? Just - you know, he's having some emotions.

HU: He's processing.

HAMBY: And, like, a lot of people, like, were reading the tea leaves in this, like...

HU: Right - right - he's running.

HAMBY: He's running. Literally, he's running.

KARLAMANGLA: (Laughter).

HU: He's running, or he's running.

KARLAMANGLA: That's amazing.

HAMBY: Yeah. Yeah.

HU: But that's the question, right? Is he running, or is he running?

HAMBY: I will say this. He is absolutely in the conversation as a 2020 presidential candidate because he is singularly the most exciting Democrat in the country...

HU: Yeah.

HAMBY: ...For Democrats. He's raised, like - he raised scads of money...

HU: A gazillion dollars - yeah.

HAMBY: ...Online. He is authentic at a time when that's really, like, a fetish in our politics.

HU: Right.

HAMBY: Like, he - and he's young, right? Like, he represents kind of generational change. But, like, he's a little emo.

HU: Yeah. Yeah.

HAMBY: He's a little emo, and he's having some emotions.

HU: All right. Who won? Peter Hamby.

HAMBY: I'll give you all my chicken.

KARLAMANGLA: I appreciate it (laughter).

HU: I know. I actually think this chicken is a great prize that we thought of. So thanks, Soumya.


HU: OK. Now it's time to end this show as we do every week. We ask listeners to share with Sam the best thing that happened to them all week. We encourage you to brag. Let's take a listen.

KELLY: This is Kelly (ph)...

PATRICK: ...And Patrick (ph) on the Blue Ridge Parkway.

KELLY: We're driving from Dallas to New York. And it's the best thing that's happened to us all week. We hope you're having a great time and having a great day. Bye.

PHILIP LIMERICK: This is Philip Limerick (ph) from Danville, Ky. And the best thing that happened to me this week is that I successfully defended my doctoral dissertation.

DANIELLE: I got to surprise my boyfriend with tickets to his favorite musician, Stevie Wonder.

MEGAN: I got sworn in as an attorney for the state of Colorado.

WELLINGTON: The best of thing of my week was my 31st birthday.

BECCA: The best thing that happened to me this week was fixing my car all by myself without having to go to the dealership.

GRACE: The best part of my week was celebrating 20 years of being with my husband. And it was amazing.

WENDY: This is Wendy (ph) from San Diego. And the best thing that happened to me this week was that my 8-year-old son decided that he was going to run for student council. He hates public speaking. But he spent time writing a speech, practicing his speech, even let me help him with it. He got up there and did it. He didn't win the election. But he was so proud of himself for trying. And we're so proud of him, too.

CARRIE: This is Carrie (ph) from Maryland. The best thing that happened to us this week is that our 4-year-old son had a standard cardiac catheterization to place stents. It has been two and a half years since his last open-heart surgery. And he's recovering so well. It looks like it might be two to three years before another procedure and even longer before another full surgery. We're relieved and blessed. Love your show.

WELLINGTON: Keep up the good work.

GRACE: Thank you.

CARRIE: Thanks.


HU: Thanks so much to Kelly and Patrick, Philip, Danielle (ph), Megan (ph), Wellington (ph), Becca (ph), Grace (ph), Wendy and Carrie there at the end for sending in your best things. Here at the show, we listen to all of these that come in. Thank you so much for sharing. Send your best things to We're going to go out on...


LIPA: (Singing) Touch me like you touch nobody.

HU: ..."Kiss And Make Up" From Dua Lipa and BLACKPINK. Thanks again to my guests today - Peter Hamby from Snapchat and Soumya Karlamangla from the LA Times. Thanks so much, y'all. It was so much fun.

KARLAMANGLA: Thanks, Elise.

HAMBY: Thank you.

HU: What are you going to do for Thanksgiving?

HAMBY: I'm going to Greenville, S.C., your favorite city.

HU: Great Main Street.

HAMBY: What a fantastic Main Street.

HU: Great Main Street. And Soumya, what about you?

KARLAMANGLA: I'm going to Hawaii.

HU: Oh, lovely - that's going to be a beautiful Thanksgiving. IT'S BEEN A MINUTE was produced this week by Brent Baughman, Anjuli Sastry, with help from Alex McCall with Steve Nelson, our director of programming. Our editor is Jordana Hochman. Our big boss, the senior vice president of programming at NPR, is Anya Grundmann. Next week is Thanksgiving. On Tuesday, Sam is back for an encore episode with Dan Pashman of The Sporkful featuring Thanksgiving horror stories. And on Friday, an episode full of our favorite moments with comedians here on the show - we think that'll be good for the trip home after the holiday. Thank y'all so much for baring with me as I fill in for the singular Sam Sanders. I'm Elise Hu. Thanks for listening. And happy Thanksgiving.


BLACKPINK: (Singing) Kiss and make - kiss and make up. Kiss and make up. Kiss and make - kiss and make up. Kiss and make up.

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