'Tuca & Bertie' Creator Lisa Hanawalt Gives Women Birds The Words In bringing a cartoon toucan and an anxious songbird to screen, show creator Lisa Hanawalt has done something still rare: made an animated show about women friends, by women friends.

Netflix's 'Tuca & Bertie' Puts The Lady Birds In Charge

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An animated exploration of female friendship will be available on Netflix this Friday.


ALI WONG: (As Bertie) Tuca and Bertie, and Tuca and...

TIFFANY HADDISH: (As Tuca) Bertie.

WONG: (As Bertie) Bertie and Tuca, and Tuca and Bertie. Tuca and Bertie.

CORNISH: It's called "Tuca & Bertie," and it's about a brassy toucan, played by Tiffany Haddish, and her neurotic best friend, a songbird voiced by Ali Wong. The strongest voice on the show is one you don't hear, but you'll see her influence everywhere. NPR's Elise Hu explains.

ELISE HU, BYLINE: Tuca and Bertie are animated bird women navigating a comedic fictional world dominated by dudes. They're creations of Lisa Hanawalt, an artist and showrunner who describes herself as vacillating between confident and anxious.

LISA HANAWALT: Oh, sorry. Weird handshake. Here we go.

HU: In the runup to her show's debut, we meet Hanawalt at the offices of a Hollywood animation studio, ShadowMachine. It's also home of the hit animated comedy "BoJack Horseman," which Hanawalt shaped as its creative director.

When her own show got a green light, she deliberately focused on a female perspective and gave both sides of her personality a character. Her brassy, bold self is woven into Tuca.


HADDISH: (As Tuca) Confident, yet relatable. Wearer of short shorts.

HU: Her more uncertain, anxious side got life as Bertie.


WONG: (As Bertie) I don't want to be boring. I want to know that everything's going to be OK so I can relax.

HU: The birds are best friends in their 30s, a theme Hanawalt felt needed more exploration.

HANAWALT: They're getting older. And, like, Bertie maybe wants to buy a house and start a family and get married, and Tuca feels a little left behind. And I wanted to explore what happens to a friendship like that, when you've been best friends for 10 years, but things are changing and you're maybe moving in different directions.

HU: That this is an animated show also allows Hanawalt and her team to embrace her unique sensibility, throw in absurdist humor and boobs - lots of boobs. On this show, boobs are on animals. They're on buildings. One boob even gets personified, popping right out of Bertie's chest in protest of a sexual advance.


UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #1: (As character) I am finished. I'm finished.

UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #2: (As character) Gross.

HU: This is the talking boob.


UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #1: (As talking boob) I am done with today. I need a drink.

HU: And this is Lisa Hanawalt.

HANAWALT: You can just slap boobs on anything. Boobs on a snake - that doesn't really make sense, but it doesn't need to. There's a surreality to the world.

HU: This surreal world starring women of color and created by a woman showrunner marks a first. The existing adult animations out there - "Family Guy," "Archer," "The Simpsons" - are driven by men behind the scenes and male protagonists on the screens.

So "Tuca & Bertie" breaks ground. This comedy is about finding your way in a male-dominated world but also proved Hanawalt has managed to find her way in a heavily male animation industry.

HANAWALT: You know, I've had it pointed out to me. When I'm the only woman in a room, some people think that that's, like, a relevant thing to just say out loud. And I'm like, really? That's a comfortable way to start a meeting. Thank you for pointing out how different I am.

There's a lot of people working in this industry who are just kind of blissfully unaware of certain things and how they could come across to different types of people. So yeah, I think it matters a lot who's in the room and who's, like, empowered to speak up about things.

HU: When she became the boss, she was deliberate in her hiring.

HANAWALT: If you make that a goal of yours, it is not difficult to find writers of all colors and shapes and genders. It's really not difficult.

HU: Amy Winfrey, who directs several "Tuca" episodes, says she feels the benefits of a diverse room in how they make the show.

AMY WINFREY: We were just open to suggestions from everybody just in trying to get the best show possible.

HU: And editor Molly Yahr says it shows up in the finished product.

MOLLY YAHR: There is just a genuine importance for shows just displaying different parts of culture. And this show is a good indication of a type of female culture.

HU: For Hanawalt, showing that women are weird and gross and multifaceted, just as she is, helps normalize our weirdness and idiosyncrasies.

HANAWALT: I just hope that the people who watch it connect with it and that it makes them feel better about who they are so they don't have to feel, like, apologetic for being a certain way or not being the status quo or whatever.

HU: To create that connection, Hanawalt is at the center of all the decisions on this show, from the overarching vision down to the right voice takes from her stars, Haddish and Wong.


HADDISH: (As Tuca) There's a Girl Things here.

WONG: (As Bertie) Girl Things.

HANAWALT: Take five.

WONG: (As Bertie) Girl Thingz, with a Z?

HU: Girl things is a cheeky reference on "Tuca & Bertie," but it's also the show's big idea. Elise Hu, NPR News, Hollywood.


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