ARI SHAPIRO, HOST:
Electric cars are all over the roads these days. On this week's All Tech Considered, we're talking about the potential for electric planes.
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SHAPIRO: Air travel accounts for about 2% of global carbon emissions. And people see clean air travel as a key part of slowing global warming. To explain why and what is being done about it, we are joined by Umair Irfan. He writes about climate change energy and the environment for Vox. Welcome to the studio.
UMAIR IRFAN: Thanks for having me.
SHAPIRO: Why focus on air travel when it accounts for just 2%, I mean, a much smaller share of carbon emissions than cars?
IRFAN: Well, air travel is going to grow in the coming century. We're expecting to see massive growth. The International Civil Aviation Organization projects upward of 700% growth by the middle of the century. So while it is small, it is going to be a larger and larger share. And the other side of the problem is that air travel is really hard to decarbonize.
SHAPIRO: You've written that we need electric airplanes. Why?
IRFAN: Well, with that growth, we need to be able to counteract that somehow. Electrifying air travel is one key option, particularly for shorter flights. And we're already seeing at least a couple airlines experimenting with it. There's one in the Pacific Northwest that aims to electrify its whole fleet, but it only flies routes smaller than 100 miles.
And so right now that's where the technology is. It can basically support small aircraft going short distances. But you absolutely need something that's going to decarbonize air travel to some extent because it is going to be a large and growing share of the problem.
SHAPIRO: Are any of the small airlines in the air carrying passengers already?
IRFAN: Not right now. One of the big issues is that the Federal Aviation Administration hasn't approved electric aircraft for passenger air travel. The regulations are actually a big hangup right now because much of the rules are structured around conventional aircraft. And now they need a new set of rules to deal with battery electric aircraft. That's also going to be challenged in the coming years.
SHAPIRO: When you look at where the technology stands today, how far are we from having an electric airplane that could cross the Atlantic Ocean?
IRFAN: Well, the key problem right now is that jet fuel is extremely energy dense and batteries are not. And in an airplane, space, as you may have noticed, is at a premium, and so is weight. And so you want to pack as much power into as small a space as possible. Batteries are improving but not fast enough right now. They need to be able to store much more energy in a much smaller space.
SHAPIRO: I think some airlines are experimenting with biofuels. Is that helpful?
IRFAN: Yeah. Biofuels are a big part of it as well. The idea is that if you use a crop that takes CO2 from the air and you burn that instead, effectively it's carbon neutral. That's a little bit tricky to pull off, though, because you want to make sure you get more energy out of the fuel than you expend to grow it in the first place.
Biofuels are also a little bit more expensive than conventional fuels. And so you have to make sort of an economic argument. Right now, airlines are experimenting with it, but it's more expensive than conventional fuels. And so we need a really substantial price drop in order to make inroads.
SHAPIRO: For people who want to do something about their flight-related carbon emissions now, is buying carbon offsets really the only option?
IRFAN: Well, the biggest option - the biggest impact option would be just to fly less. And there's a global movement that's kind of sprung up to try to encourage people to do that. I think the estimate is that each leg of a journey on a roundtrip flight across the Atlantic emits about a ton of CO2. So that's 2 tons of CO2. And that's roughly enough to melt about 30 square feet of Arctic ice. So that's a very direct relationship between your actions and your impact on the environment, and for some, people that's been a pretty startling revelation.
SHAPIRO: Do you think the airlines feel the urgency? Is there really a race to get an electric plane up in the air?
IRFAN: There is some pressure on the airlines right now because of this global flying shame movement that's kind of taken off. There are - there is some pressure...
SHAPIRO: Global flying shame, meaning make people feel guilty for the fact that their flights are causing all of these carbon emissions?
IRFAN: That's right. The Swedes have even coined a word for it. They call it flygskam. For some reason, Sweden is the epicenter for this movement.
SHAPIRO: That's flying shame.
IRFAN: Flying shame, right. And yeah, their customers are now increasing pressure on the airlines. They want to sort of assuage their guilt for flying. Many people see it as necessary, but they want to see more heavy lifting coming from the airlines themselves in terms of getting more fuel efficient or coming up with better offsetting schemes or mitigating greenhouse gas emissions in other ways.
SHAPIRO: Umair Irfan is a staff writer at Vox.
Thanks for coming in.
IRFAN: Thanks for having me.
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