OPHIRA EISENBERG, HOST:
So let's keep rolling with the Tex-Mex theme with a game about guacamole. And to play it, please welcome back our special guest, musician Robert Earl Keen.
EISENBERG: So, Robert, you recommended a restaurant for us to eat at.
ROBERT EARL KEEN: Yes, Mi Tierra.
EISENBERG: Mi Tierra, and...
EISENBERG: We went there last night.
KEEN: Yes. And?
EISENBERG: We had margaritas.
EISENBERG: We had, like, basically one of everything on the menu.
EISENBERG: It was delicious - tons of chips.
EISENBERG: And it was - and pastries.
EISENBERG: They have amazing pastries. It was - and it was a...
KEEN: Songs? Did anyone...
EISENBERG: Songs - we had songs.
KEEN: Oh, yeah.
EISENBERG: It was a great experience.
KEEN: I know. I always get those guys to - like I always tell them, look; I want to hear the saddest song you know, you know?
KEEN: And they look at me, like, really weird, you know, because they're always playing happy songs. They're not...
EISENBERG: We asked for a happy song.
EISENBERG: They're like, what kind of song you want?
KEEN: So I go, muy triste, muy triste.
KEEN: And so one time, I kept, you know, hounding them. And they finally played one. And two of the guys started crying in the middle of it.
KEEN: It was a pretty cool experience.
EISENBERG: Are you kidding?
KEEN: Yeah, no. I'm - no. It's a pretty cool experience, you know? There was - man, when they want to play a sad song, they can play a sad song, you know?
KEEN: I mean, if my Spanish was any better, I would've been crying.
EISENBERG: You got some theater. You got some theater in there.
EISENBERG: OK. So I also understand that you love to cook. What is your specialty?
KEEN: Well, you know, I don't know - just anything that's in the icebox, basically.
KEEN: I mean, I'm pretty good at that, like, let me make this out of this, you know?
EISENBERG: That's great. How do you feel about guacamole?
KEEN: I love guacamole.
EISENBERG: Do you make your own?
KEEN: I make my own.
EISENBERG: So here's the deal. We - our previous guest from the Netflix show "Queer Eye" Antoni Porowski famously riled up the Internet by putting Greek yogurt in guacamole.
EISENBERG: I know. I know. People are...
KEEN: Thank you, San Antonio.
EISENBERG: But it turns out there are loads of examples of unconventional ingredients that people put in guacamole and anger the Internet and the people at large. So...
KEEN: Yeah, I can understand that.
EISENBERG: So we have a game about it. All you have to do is guess the controversial ingredient I'm talking about in this game called Guac-pocalypse Now.
KEEN: Guac-pocalypse Now.
KEEN: OK, OK, OK.
EISENBERG: Ina Garten, the Barefoot Contessa, raised eyebrows when she revealed the secret to keeping her guacamole green. Instead of adding a bit of lime juice, she adds a lot of what freshly squeezed juice?
KEEN: And who is this?
KEEN: ...Ina Garten, the Barefoot Contessa.
EISENBERG: It's - there's a television show. She's a...
EISENBERG: Citrus fruit she squeezes in there, but it's not lime.
KEEN: It's a lemon.
EISENBERG: I know.
EISENBERG: Yeah, that's it. And, you know, purists are mad.
KEEN: I mean, that - I wouldn't even think about that. I mean, like, I look over there in the little fruit bowl, and there's no green things over there, I'd grab the yellow thing.
EISENBERG: Yeah (laughter).
KEEN: Yeah (laughter).
EISENBERG: Oh. Oh, people are mad.
EISENBERG: Avocado prices have been going up lately. And NPR interviewed a food writer who learned that some LA taquerias are saving money by making guac without avocado - I know...
EISENBERG: ...Substituting with what ingredient instead?
KEEN: This is not a multiple choice thing?
EISENBERG: I'll give you a hint.
KEEN: All right.
EISENBERG: Keep going.
KEEN: Wow. OK. OK, squash.
EISENBERG: Yeah, I knew you knew. I knew you were playing me, but I love it.
KEEN: All right (laughter).
EISENBERG: Yeah, calabacitas squash, matter of fact.
EISENBERG: Yeah. This writer said that after a side-by-side taste test, he could barely tell the difference between the squash one and the avocado one (laughter).
EISENBERG: Who knows?
KEEN: Does he work for Birds Eye or something?
EISENBERG: (Laughter) Yeah, maybe.
KEEN: All right.
EISENBERG: In 2014, Bon Appetit suggested adding a little crunch and a lot of fiber to your guacamole by throwing in a finely chopped stalk of what vegetable?
KEEN: Finely chopped stalk...
KEEN: ...Of what vegetable?
EISENBERG: Yeah, that's right, of course.
EISENBERG: And here is your last clue. In 2015, in response to a controversial recipe published by The New York Times, even Barack Obama tweeted that he was not buying what as an ingredient in guacamole? Little, tiny green rounds.
EISENBERG: Peas, yes.
KEEN: Oh, my God.
EISENBERG: Peas and guacamole - gross.
(SOUNDBITE OF MENAHAN STREET BAND'S "MAKE THE ROAD BY WALKING")
EISENBERG: Robert, you did great. You can see Robert Earl Keen's Countdown to Christmas tour, Lunar Tunes and Looney Times, this December. Give it up for Robert Earl Keen.
KEEN: Thank you.
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