DAVID GREENE, HOST:
The book we're about to discuss almost didn't exist. "Little Legends" celebrates exceptional men in black history. It's by the author-illustrator Vashti Harrison. She deliberated over whether to take on this subject matter. She says, she relates more to women's stories.
VASHTI HARRISON: My first book, "Little Leaders: Bold Women In Black History," came out in 2017, and it came from a really personal place. I was thinking about the stories that I needed to see when I was a little kid. But from the moment it got announced, people were asking me, are you going to write one about black men as well?
GREENE: Well, eventually she gave in seeing high demand for a follow-up. On every other page of "Little Legends," Vashti Harrison's detailed illustrations bring each of her profiles to life in this really cool way. I asked her about why she chose to draw all of them with their eyes closed.
HARRISON: I really wanted to create this sweet, simple character. You know, I could have drawn each of these famous people to look like themselves, but I wanted to create a child character and kind of make it look like they were almost dressing up as these famous people. They've got their eyes closed with this sweet smile. And I wanted it to feel like they're kind of imagining themselves in the worlds of these wonderful people. But I also wanted to create a beautiful book - a beautiful object. And I wanted it to feel kind of vintage, a little bit classic. And so I was thinking about these classic mid-century artists from the golden age of picture books. And I really wanted to make something that featured characters of color, people of color, in a book that looks like it belongs on the shelf next to a "Winnie The Pooh," and "Madeline" and "Eloise."
GREENE: Well, how did you choose the 35 men you wanted to profile?
HARRISON: It was not easy. There was, I think, originally a list of about 100 people. Obviously, so many incredible people could have gone in. But one thing that was really important for me in the first book, that I carried over into this one, was showcasing a diverse list of fields of study. Sure, there are doctors and lawyers and activists but also engineers and cyclists and artists because there's a question that a lot of adults ask kids, and I don't really like this question so much. When I was little, I didn't love it, but it's, what do you want to be when you grow up?
GREENE: Yeah, we were all asked that.
GREENE: You just felt so much pressure.
HARRISON: Yeah. I mean, I don't think you should have to know too early.
HARRISON: Great if you do but also cool if you don't. But I wanted to be able to fill kids up with the knowledge of all these different paths and fields of study, so when they're ready to answer, they'll know about all these cool folks that came before them.
GREENE: I noticed that. I mean, you talked about you didn't want it just to be the most famous people. And you bring, up, like Barack Obama, Martin Luther King Jr. at the end just to say, like, of course these people were important, but those weren't the ones you really decide to dig into and profile at length.
HARRISON: Yeah. Originally, you know, when I was thinking about my first book, I was thinking about Black History Month. And why is it that we actually celebrate Black History Month? When Carter G. Woodson founded Negro History Week in 1926, his goal was to celebrate the stories that have been long-neglected throughout history. So I felt like, here's an opportunity to showcase some names that you wouldn't maybe come across in the mainstream. So when you go to the bookstore, there are lots of books featuring Martin Luther King Jr. and Barack Obama.
I wanted to be able to, you know, showcase some names that you may not see everywhere else - so like, Bass Reeves and John Robinson. But obviously there are some big names because I worried - you know, I hoped that, you know, people would share this book. And just in case it was someone's first introduction to black history, there are a few big names. There's, you know, Frederick Douglass and...
GREENE: Prince. Prince is pretty big. (Laughter).
HARRISON: ...And Prince. Prince is pretty big. (Laughter) Yeah.
GREENE: So many of the men you feature here were doing extraordinary things despite racism they faced. And you said that you were struck by how they responded, I mean, that a lot of what you enjoyed was realizing that they weren't full of hate or resentment, that they kept a really inspiring attitude in the face of such horrific things.
HARRISON: Yeah. I mean, it's totally understandable for those experiences. But what I really wanted kids to connect with was this passion and joy that a lot of these people found in the things that they were doing. Someone like Major Taylor, who faced incredible racism and prejudice in the cycling industry, he still went after his love and enjoyed it and found beauty in it. And I really wanted to be able to share that with kids.
GREENE: This is probably unfair to do to an author who's written 35 profiles, but could you pick one more that you want to tell us a little bit more about?
HARRISON: Sure. I mean, I definitely have a soft spot for the artists. So one of my favorites is Aaron Douglas for sure. You know, his work was just really, just so beautiful. He was a master of color. And he was making artwork for and about black people in a time before anyone considered black to be beautiful. And he just made his work so unique. He combined art deco and cubism and Egyptian hieroglyphics to create this bold style that became the look for the Harlem Renaissance. His work was everywhere - on posters, on book covers, in magazines. And I just - I love everything he's created.
GREENE: I want to ask you - I want to return to kind of what we were talking about, like, what these men did in the face of racism. Like it - how do you want parents and, like, their kids who are reading this to confront that question - you know, like a young mind just learning about race and some of the horrible things that our country has been through and some of the terrible things that these men have faced, what to do in the face of that.
HARRISON: Yeah. I mean, it's a harsh reality that a lot of parents of color, children of color experience often way too early. But what I really want them to know is that through hard work, through grace, through kindness and through passion, these people found and created lives that were meaningful and made work that was meaningful for other people. It was tough tackling some of these subjects. It's dark. Our history is dark sometimes. And I found it was really important to just put it all out there. You know, it was reality. And so I really just want these young readers to know that that didn't define them. These hardships didn't define them. But it was their love and their kindness and their goodness that made a difference in the world.
GREENE: Author-illustrator Vashti Harrison - her latest book is called "Little Legends: Exceptional Men In Black History." Thanks so much for your time.
HARRISON: Thank you so much.
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