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And it's just not how transitions have worked recently. Here's Brian Naylor.
BRIAN NAYLOR, BYLINE: In 2009, just before then-President-elect Obama was set to deliver his inaugural address, members of the outgoing Bush administration's national security team sat down with the people who were about to take their place. Stephen Hadley, who was Bush's national security adviser, remembers they were set to talk about the threat posed by Iran.
STEPHEN HADLEY: And that weekend, we had gotten intelligence that there was a potential threat to the inauguration itself. So that Saturday morning, we had the FBI director come in and brief both the existing and incoming national security teams about that protective threat, what we knew about it, what we were doing about it and then had kind of a roundtable discussion.
NAYLOR: Among those taking part in the discussion was then-Senator Hillary Clinton, who was set to become Obama's secretary of state. Hadley says Clinton posed an interesting question.
HADLEY: What do we tell President Obama if he's in the middle of his inauguration speech and he hears a loud bang and a potential bomb attack or something like that? What does he do? Does he hunker down? Do we rush him off the stage? How does he want to handle that moment? Well, that was a very productive discussion.
NAYLOR: Thankfully, there was no bang or attack, and Obama's inauguration proceeded smoothly. Hadley spoke at a webinar last month sponsored by the nonpartisan Center for Presidential Transition. National security is one of the major reasons smooth transitions are so crucial, says Barbara Perry, a professor at the University of Virginia's Miller Center. She notes the 9/11 Commission pointed to the shortened transition period between the Clinton and Bush administrations after the disputed results in Florida played a role in al-Qaida's attack in 2001. That and the economic crisis is why Perry believes the outgoing Bush administration worked so hard for a successful transition to the Obama White House.
BARBARA PERRY: They were leaving office, and Obama was coming in in the midst of this horrible crisis. That almost feels like it pales compared to what we're facing now. But remember, at the time, it seemed pretty dire because the entire economic system was collapsing around the world and in the United States and was within inches of seizing up.
NAYLOR: The Obama administration tried to emulate the smooth transition between it and the Bush administration after President Trump was elected four years ago. But Obama's chief of staff, Denis McDonough, speaking at that webinar, says Trump made it difficult, first replacing his transition team just after the election.
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DENIS MCDONOUGH: And it appears that a lot of the material that was prepared for the transition team just wasn't consumed.
NAYLOR: Still, Perry argues that the nation never paid much attention to transitions before the contested 2000 election between Bush and Gore, probably because they were rather ordinary. And she says now we may be paying too much attention to them.
PERRY: The vast majority of our government and our bureaucracy and the executive branch continues no matter who's in the White House. By that I mean that there's probably some overemphasis placed on the transition of power from one administration to the other.
NAYLOR: However, despite an economic crisis and a deadly pandemic, Trump is refusing to allow his administration to take part in any transition activities with President-elect Biden in what may be remembered as one of the rockiest transitions in history.
Brian Naylor, NPR News.
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