STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:
President-elect Biden's choice for White House press secretary says she will restore a tradition. Jen Psaki plans to take questions from reporters each day.
Will there be a daily briefing?
JEN PSAKI: There will be. I am 5'3", so I will have to figure out what I will need to stand on in order to reach the microphones.
INSKEEP: Psaki's height, to be clear, is around average for a woman, but she spent years behind lecterns sized for men. She was the spokesperson for Secretary of State John Kerry, then President Obama's communications director and now speaks for Biden.
PSAKI: I think more than any point in history - and I don't want to be overly dramatic, but I think many people would agree with me - part of the job of the White House press secretary is to rebuild trust with the American people.
INSKEEP: President Trump's first press secretary falsely claimed the biggest inauguration crowd in history. His last made false claims about Trump's election defeat, which prompted a question for Psaki. You're sure to be asked, as previous press secretaries have been, in your first briefing, I would imagine - are you always going to tell the truth? How do you plan to answer that question?
PSAKI: That's always been my goal and always my objective. And I think that's the expectation of the president-elect and the vice president-elect and others who have entrusted me with this job. Now, there will be times when I misspeak. I certainly know that, too. But my goal every day will, of course, be to be truthful and transparent and to help peel the curtains back for not just the media and reporters, of course - those are the people in the room. but for the American people.
INSKEEP: There's always a tension, of course, in this job - and it's been highlighted in the last few years - as to who you're supposed to serve. You're, of course, working for a president. You're getting out the message of the president. But as reporters will be quick to point out, you're on the public payroll, and they see your job as working for them or really working for citizens, informing the public. So let me phrase the question this way. As you see it, who is your boss?
PSAKI: Of course, it's an honor to be speaking on behalf of the U.S. government. But my boss is really the American people. And there are different entities who are kind of serving the American people, right? Of course, the president of the United States was elected by them. But the media plays an essential role, too, right? And that may mean - and it will mean - as you know, you've been in that briefing room - on days we disagree, right? We'll have failures, or we'll have things that are mishandled in the government. But, you know, my view, especially at this moment in history and in a moment where people don't trust the information they're getting from most sources, is to be as steady and as fact-based as I can be. You know, the tone that I project reflects on the president. And he and I have talked about that, too. So the truth is you serve both.
INSKEEP: How do you think you will engage the right-wing media ecosystem, if I can call it that? I'm thinking of networks like Fox, but also OAN and Newsmax that have larger and larger audiences. And some of them, like Fox, have, at least on a basic level, acknowledged that Joe Biden won the election. Others are pushing completely discredited theories. But they're all going to be there. They're all going to have an audience, and they're all going to have questions for you.
PSAKI: That's right. And, you know, Steve, again, just to go back to how valuable I find and how much I'll rely on my experience at the State Department, there were many, many days where there were journalists - I'm air quoting that - who were from Russia or China, essentially arms of the government, you know, arms of the state-run media. And we let them in the briefing room. And they asked questions. And, sometimes, I had a little fun with them, you know, about who they were asking the question on behalf of.
You know, the first interview that I did after I was announced as White House press secretary was with Chris Wallace on Fox. You know, I do think there is a difference, as I think everybody knows, between some of the anchors and reporters at a network like Fox and some of the personalities. I will not be doing an interview with Sean Hannity. I think that wouldn't serve anybody, including the president-elect, who's the most important factor there. In terms of OAN and kind of other right-wing entities, you know, I don't think my job as the White House press secretary is to give them a bigger platform. But at the same time, when we're at a point when it's COVID safe and there is a full briefing room, I also don't think it's my job to keep people out.
INSKEEP: There seemed to be different approaches at different times in the Obama administration to this question. Of course, President Obama himself did interviews from time to time on Fox News. But the administration also grew frustrated with Fox, tried to shut them out from time to time, was criticized for that. Do you feel that that question is resolved in the way that you just said?
PSAKI: You know, Steve, it's a good question. I don't think it's resolved, no. And I will tell you, you know, my resting place is to be steady and open and share information, but I am no pushover, either. You know, we're not going to allow the briefing room to be a platform for propaganda. And we will shut that down as needed, as well.
INSKEEP: There was an astonishing amount of leaking to the media during the Trump administration. And, of course, if you're a critic of Trump, you would argue that was mostly for the public good. Thank goodness we found out what was going on in there - might be your attitude. But how do you mean to approach leaks in a Biden administration?
PSAKI: Well, Steve, I think if anybody who covered the - and I've told some journalists this - anybody who covered the - only the Trump administration who's looking for a continuation of the "Game Of Thrones" style personnel, you know, sniping, they will be sorely disappointed, I believe. But I would say there will be a return to - or our goal is for there to be a return to policy processes and policy briefings and policy experts who are going to be out there explaining what a COVID package may look like or what we're going to do about immigration. And certainly, there are leaks around that, which may give me a headache for the day but are not as damaging, I would say, as leaks that are around, you know, people's lives or national security issues.
INSKEEP: I'm glad you mentioned national security because as you know well, President Obama's administration aggressively prosecuted leakers of classified information. And that spilled over into investigating journalists, obtaining journalists' phone records, tracking their comings and goings from government agencies. Does this administration mean to do the same?
PSAKI: Well, you know, Steve, I think I mentioned, obviously, there are different circumstances, as you well know, that came up during the Obama administration. And a number of those were overseen by the Department of Justice at the time. President-elect Biden has not even selected an attorney general yet. Believe me - people want to know who it's going to be. But one of his priorities is returning that department to an independent department, one that does not have political influence from the White House, which will be quite a sea change from our current circumstance. You know, and I suspect those will be questions that future nominee for that role will be asked in a confirmation hearing.
INSKEEP: I think that was an elegant evasion of the question (laughter). Is that correct?
PSAKI: Well, look, Steve. I think - I know certainly living through it, I know that there was, you know, unhappiness among members of the media, to put it diplomatically. There were certain steps that were taken that, as you know, were led not by President Obama but by the Department of Justice. Obviously, national security leaks are a serious issue. But, you know, I hope there are none - right? - in a future Biden administration, and this will be not an issue. But I can't get ahead of what that would look like and certainly not in behalf of any future Department of Justice.
INSKEEP: Jen Psaki, it's a pleasure talking with you. Thank you so much.
PSAKI: Pleasure talking with you, Steve. Thanks so much.
INSKEEP: She's President-elect Biden's choice as White House press secretary.
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